To continue the topic I started in a post about The Baltic Crusades, here you will find more about Old Prussians and one of their greatest hero: Herkus Monte. Also you will find information about Old Prussian life style, religion and some of the important events of those times, such as The Great Prussian Uprising (1260-1274).
This is writing by the Crusades historian William Urban, the Monmouth College Lee L. Morgan Professor of History and International Studies – one of the top U.S. experts on the Baltic Crusades and the Teutonic Order. I have only a little edited and added some small things to complete the story.
HERKUS MONTE AND THE GREAT PRUSSIAN UPRISING
Little is known about the greatest hero of the Old Prussian rebellion of 1260, the man who led his people for twelve years against the Teutonic Knights and their crusader allied from Germany and Poland.
Herkus Monte (also Hercus, Latin: Henricus Montemin) was born between 1225 and 1230, the son of a Nattangian nobles Monteminds. The Nattangians were one of the Old Prussian tribes that lived on the southeastern coast of the Baltic, protected from the Poles to the south and the Lithuanians to the east by forest barriers and a formidable military reputation. The dozen Prussian tribes had no political unity, and therefore the Nattangians had little to do with the powerful Sambians and Bartians who were to the north and the east, or to the Warmians who were to the west of them. There was trade in weapons, cloth, and salt, and also people and horses, when border warfare was successful.
The Nattangians could raise 2000 horsemen in time of war and many thousand mounted infantry. The cavalry were naturally the nobles and their retainers. These lived in log and earth forts, supporting themselves by taxes, tribute, and presumably their own labor, but successful warfare was necessary to obtain a great reputation and wealth. Because the tribe was in a pre-feudal state, there was no single political leader; decisions were made by councils of important nobles who represented the clans. These meetings were marked by festivities and much drinking, and probably coincided with religious holidays.
The Prussian (and also Latvian and Lithuanian) religion was not identical to Germanic or Scandinavian paganism, but it had much in common with them. The impact of Christian thought upon their concepts of the gods and the prospect of eternal life in heaven seems to have been important but this added to previous ideas rather than supplanting them. They maintained sacred groves where religious services were conducted by priests (waidelotas); and on the southern border, near Schippenbeil, was a spot sacred to all Prussians (Romuva). There a high priest named Kriwe conducted services and oversaw religious functions for all the tribes, particularly those ceremonies relating to the cremation of the dead and the placation of the spirits of the deceased.
The pagans held the dead in terror. It is not an accident that this is the birthplace of the werewolf legend and other superstitions. They burned the corpse with such weapons, clothing, and horses as he would need in the next world, because without these, the deceased would be without honor or status. The gods were similarly appeased by such offerings, but they had different needs—they required human sacrifices. Therefore, on raids the first prisoner taken was tied to a tree and shot with an arrow. If the blood ran freely, the raid could continue, because the gods predicted success; if it ran slowly, the raiders returned home.
The use of magic sticks to foretell the future, or dice-like bones, was the common means of consulting the deities. War was the means of obtaining slaves and wives, partly a result of the practice of infanticide and partly because the noble warriors were so successful in attacking their non-Prussian neighbors. The rich married several wives, and brothers were expected to take their father’s or brother’s wives into their home if widowed. This combination of bigamy and incest particularly shocked their Christian neighbors, who were already unhappy about raids on their frontier settlements for women and children. Drinking was the main entertainment for both men and women, as it was among all northern Europeans.
Because these practices were so opposed to what the Christian missionaries required of their converts, the missionaries met little success in their efforts and often earned martyrdom. Therefore, it had become traditional for missionaries to be accompanied by an armed guard. By the thirteenth century this guard was provided by crusaders. For many decades Polish kings had tried to convert the Prussians by force, but each crusading attempt had ended in failure and ultimately the Poles found themselves on the defensive. Then the Duke of Masovia called the Teutonic Knights to his aid.
Until 1238 the Nattangias had lived quietly. Being considerably distant from those provinces of Prussia where Polish and German crusaders were helping the Teutonic Knights establish themselves, they took no interest in those wars. This decade of neutrality later cost them dearly. The western tribes surrendered one-by-one. The crusader advance continued. Between 1235 and 1238 the Teutonic Knights moved down the Vistula from Thorn to Elbing; then they established themselves at Balga on the coast not far from Nattangia. Now they recognized the threat the crusaders represented to their liberty, their religion, and their traditional way of life.
The Nattangians had been alerted to the danger that the newcomers represented, even though they had not heeded the warning. They had survived Viking raids—but these attacks were different. They knew how to handle naval raids, but they were uncertain how to deal with invaders who came not to raid but to conquer, determined men who lived in a strong castle. Siege warfare was not an art of war practiced among the Prussians, and even though the castle was built of earth and logs, it was no ordinary fortress. It was built for war, not to protect a village and there were no non-combatants or fields to threaten. The enemy had strange weapons that could shoot down men at an unexpectedly long range, were equipped with superior steel weapons and armor, and rode strong war horses which wheeled in formations that the Prussians had never seen before.
In 1240 a great army of knights came to Balga from Germany. Led by Duke Otto of Braunschweig, this was a group of westerners from the warrior monks of the Teutonic Order. They easily captured the chief Nattangian forts and required the natives to undergo baptism. In the course of his year on crusade Duke Otto pacified the entire region and collected many hostages from the nobles. He took the hostages back to Germany with him, and among them was Herkus Monte.
Herkus was brought to Magdeburg and lived there for about ten years. He studied at the monastery school of St. Johannes der Täufer auf dem Berge. The object of taking the hostages to Germany was to educate them in western ways, so that when they returned home they could teach the gospel and the practices of “civilized men” to their primitive relatives and subjects. Like the other hostages, Herkus Monte learned German and observed life among his hosts, but he did not grasp the essential ideas underlying western civilization— or, if he did, he rejected them. He was not to use his knowledge in the way that the crusaders expected.
The young and able Herkus was very eager to absorb knowledge, he very quickly learned languages, not only German, but also Latin, which he spoke fluently. His abilities were noted amongst the monks, who saw in him a chance to use his personality in the conquest of the Prussians.
In line with this decision, Herkus began to be schooled in Knightly art of warfare. He showed unusual abilities in learning the craft of knighthood and his mastery of using sword. He very quickly became unequalled, not only amongst his age contemporaries. This to the great satisfaction of the Order, who expected they could use him in Prussia. However, the young Herkus undoubtedly could not forget the sufferings and cruelties inflicted on his people, together with the close to him Natangs, which happenings he saw with his own eyes.
Herkus returned to Prussia as a knight in his mid twenties, but in the attire of Teutonic Order. He did not spent much time with the Knights of the Order. He visited his subjugated people, the Montemids, and the Natangs bleeding to death at the hands of the Order. The Order concerned that the Prussians were converting to Christianity and it might loose its chance if setting up its own state, intensified its efforts to systematically destroy the Prussian people.
An act of maximum bestiality was the inviting of the Prussian chiefs to the negotiating table. When the Prussian elders arrived at the peace negotiating, all were murdered. After the banquet, all doors and windows were barred, the hall was set on fire and nobody survived.
Herkus Monte discards the Teutonic Order dress and becomes the leader of the Prussian peoples. This began his immortal odyssey.
The year after he had been taken away to Magdeburg, his countrymen revolted. The Teutonic Knights had moved too fast and too ruthlessly to establish western economic methods in the countryside. They had gathered the natives from their isolated farmsteads into villages and required them to work the fields communally. To keep them together, the order forbade the farmers to move away or even to marry outside the community. They gave monopolies to the merchants who settled there, and distributed privileges to the millers and other artisans who were imported into the country from Germany and Poland. These were not all new professions, because the Prussians were not completely primitive, but the conversion to a cash economy and the requirement that the natives use these special services was a surprise that they had not expected. In Germany this economic system was bringing wealth and considerable freedom to the peasantry and enriching the nobility, too. But the Nattangians rejected it, neither commoner nor noble seeing advantages in it for them, and gave the system no chance to prove itself. They rose in revolt and threw out the Germans and their God.
The revolt lasted a decade. Although most of the Prussians had surrendered by 1249, the Nattangians still resisted. Late in 1249 they surrounded a large force of Teutonic Knights and accepted an offer to surrender on terms. The Nattangians broke their word, however, and slaughtered fifty of these Knights and all their hundreds of troops. Some they tortured to death. It was a striking confirmation of the crusaders’ prejudice that the pagans were so far outside the western moral system that paganism could not be allowed to survive. The Teutonic Knights raised new armies; and in 1251 and 1252 crusading expeditions from Germany crushed the Nattangians and forced the tribe to surrender. After that, the hostages must have been brought home, although a few Nattangians went into exile and continued to raid the Christianized lands from Sudovia until 1256.
Like other Christianized nobles, Herkus Monte must have served in the wars that the Teutonic Knights conducted in Sambia between 1252 and 1255 and against the Nadrovians, Sudovians, and Scalovians in the following five years. Because military service was required of all converts, particularly of the nobles, Herkus had a formidable military reputation by 1260 when he was chosen to lead his people in revolt against the Teutonic Order. Later he showed himself to be a gifted commander, with a thorough knowledge of the crusaders’ mentality and methods of warfare. This was the fruit of his military experience during his youth and early manhood, fighting beside the best warriors of Western Europe.
The Teutonic Knights had striven to win the loyalty of the Prussian nobles and to integrate them into their feudal government. They had given them written confirmations of their lands, extended their rights over the peasantry to equal those exercised by immigrant knights, and given them posts of responsibility and honor in the army. German-born advocates lived among the Prussians to train their army and to preside at court trials. These men ate and drank with the nobles regularly, and invited them to parties in the castles. They were to be friends and models, and, as celibate monks, were to demonstrate the new virtue of Christianity. Priests dwelt in the villages, so as to give personal instruction to the new converts and see to their spiritual welfare. Many Germans spoke the native tongue fluently. Some Prussians responded to this well and adapted to the feudal customs; others did not. Herkus Monte was among the latter.
Herkus’ attitude must have been similar to that of those Samogithian (Žemaitian) nobles who allowed the truce to expire in 1259, as described in the Livonian Rhymed Chronicle:
The nobles of Samogithia prepared a carouse, and many were happy to attend. They drank and were merry. Their leader spoke thus: “I am pleased to see so many heroes, and I will rejoice in you so long as I live. You Samogithians should strive for glory and attack the Christians night and day. You’ve been quiet long enough. You should renew the raids and with manly hand ravage the lands of the Christians.” This speech pleased the nobles and their pledged to their gods there at the party to renew the war.
Simply speaking, they wanted a return to paganism and military glory. And, since they were successful in their war, they gave new life to pagan ideals among the Prussians.
In 1260 the Samogithians in the Battle of Durbe defeated a crusader army from Livonia and Prussia which included levies from Sambia, Nattangia, and Warmia. Many loyal native nobles stood beside the Teutonic Knights to face certain death when the disaffected Kurši (Curonians) from Livonia withdrew from the fighting and provoked a general panic among the foot-soldiers. Other nobles fled and allowed the others to die fighting for the time that permitted the fugitives to escape. The disaster was so complete that several Livonian tribes (Curonians and Semigallians) rebelled against the weakened order, and, because the sea was closed by winter storms, these tribes had several initial successes.
Soon the Prussians organized a conspiracy against the crusader government. Too astute to attempt a wild, uncoordinated insurrection that was doomed to failure, the nobles chose leaders and set a date when everyone would attack at once. There were, of course, a few hotheads who would not wait, thereby endangering the entire plot. The Nattangians around Leuzenburg struck prematurely in the hope of assassinating their advocate at a drinking party:
They were seated conversing with one another and enjoying themselves when someone put out the light and began to attack the advocate with slashes and thrusts so that he would have been killed if he had not been wearing his armor secretly. Immediately after the light was relit, the advocate showed the cuts and slashes in his clothing and asked his guests what punishment such a sneaking murderer deserved. They all answered that anyone guilty of such a crime should be burned. Later the brother invited them to visit him in the same castle many times, as if nothing had happened and treated them kindly. But when they were drunk they began to talk about killing him. When he heard that talk about him he went out and barred the door. Then he set it on fire and burned his guests and his castle together.
In September of 1260 the conspiracy matured in a tremendously successful and coordinated revolt in Sambia, Nattangia, Barta, and Warmia. Later it becomes known as The Great Prussian Uprising.
Nattangians elected Herkus Monte as their war-leader and other tribes elected their leaders: the Sambians were led by Glande, the Bartians by Diwanus, the Warmians by Glappe, the Pogesanians by Auktume.One clan that did not join the uprising was the Pomesanians. The uprising was also supported by Skomant, leader of the Sudovians. However, there was no one leader to coordinate efforts of these different forces.
The rebels slaughtered the priests, the merchants, and the other Germans who were in the country, and massacred those natives they suspected of being loyal to the regime. Women and children were carried off into slavery, perhaps sold over Russia to the Tartars or Turks, perhaps kept for pleasure and onerous work.
Each tribe besieged those castles located in its part of Prussia. Herkus Monte led the attack on Kreuzberg, building three forts around the castle to prevent the garrison from either reaping the crops or sallying out in raids on the rebel communities. Since the castles could not be stormed successfully, the Prussians besieged them. The siege of Kreuzberg was long and weary.
In January of 1261 the first crusading armies arrived in Prussia to relieve the beleaguered castles. One of these, composed of Polish crusaders and German knights from the Magdeburg area, came to Nattangia. Herkus Monte knew how to resist these inexperienced warriors—he withdrew into the forests, offering no opposition at all. Soon the crusaders divided into two bodies, as was customary, one sallying out to raid and the other guarding the camp and the booty. Not having seen any Prussians, the troops at camp were not on their guard when Herkus Monte suddenly attacked. He killed or captured every man and frightened the surviving part of the army into retreat. Then he disposed of the prisoners.
The first duty of a religious Prussian was to offer a proper sacrifice to the gods. The native priests drew lots to see which prisoner would be chosen. A German chronicle told the story:
Twice the lot fell upon a certain citizen of Magdeburg, a noble and cleric named Hirtzhals, who in fear pleaded with Herkus Monte, asking in memory of all he had done for him when he was in Magdeburg, to free him from this. Hearing this Herkus had pity, and freed him from the first two drawings. But when it fell on him the third time, he would not release him, but willingly offered him after his confession to God, tied him upon his horse, and burned him.
Herkus was not so devout a pagan that he would not set aside the will of the gods twice; but he did not dare to defy the repeated divine choice of a victim. Probably the pagan dead were burned with all their possessions and war equipment, even though weapons and good armor were expensive and in short supply.
The Nattangians continued the siege of Kreuzberg. By 1262 the garrison was reduced to eating cattle and horse hides and many knights lost their teeth from that diet. In 1263 the garrison abandoned the castle, slipping away secretly. Herkus Monte alertly followed the starving escapees, forced them to fight, and killed all but two who made their way to safety.
Once that dangerous castle had been destroyed—the pagans never considered garrisoning it themselves—he hurried to Konigsberg where the siege was going badly for the Sambians. When his army arrived, the Sambians had given up a close watch of the castle, allowing the Teutonic Knights to reopen water communication with the west. A German chronicler described the battle:
When the brothers came out with their troops to fight their opponents manly. Herkus Monte, seeing far off brother Henry Ulenbusch drawing a crossbow, rode up to him crying, “Today I will send you to Heaven.” and he ran him through with his lance, wounded him badly, although he was later healed of this wound. Seeing this, a certain sergeant wounded Herkus with a small lance, thus revenging him. Weakened from this wound, he withdrew with his army from this business.
The injury did not stop Herkus Monte for long. Soon he led his men against Konigsberg again, and this time he captured the city below the castle and destroyed it. Later in 1263 he led the Nattangians to distant Culm probably hoping to force the Teutonic Knights to keep more of their men there on garrison duty and thus weaken the frontier forces nearer Nattangia. The raid came as a complete surprise:
With a big army he invaded the land of Culm, and took an incalculable booty of men and other things, which he took away with him, and burned every building outside fortified walls and colored that Christian land with blood. When this came to the ears of Master Helmeric, he called all the men of his army and followed him to the land of Lubow, where he prepared his army for battle and attacked them. The Prussians resisted strongly at first, but then fled, and the Christians dispersed in pursuit and were killing many of them. But when Prussians saw that there were only a few of Christians around the battle flag, they joined together to return to the fight, and began a new war that lasted long until God, whose justice is incomprehensible, permitted them to kill the master, the marshall, brother Theodoric, and forty knights, and the entire army of the Christians, and caused such loss among the people of God that it was considered greater than that in the conflict in Kurland, in Battle of Durbe; although the number of dead was not so great, these were all outstanding and skilful men, whose knowledge and energy in Prussia and in war were lost.
From that time on, Prussian raids into Culm were more frequent and more devastating, but they seem to have been conducted by Sudovians and Lithuanians. Herkus Monte is mentioned in only one context—among those rebels educated in Germany who used their knowledge of the language and habits to lure small groups of crusaders into ambush. These met the Germans in the woods and volunteered to act as guides, then led the strangers straight to destruction.
Herkus Monte was probably absent from the fighting in Culm because of the need to aid the Sambians in 1264 and 1265, because that tribe was slowly succumbing to the relentless attacks of the Teutonic Order. But it was difficult for him to render meaningful aid to the Sambians, because the Pregel river was defended by strong castles at Königsberg, Tapiau and Wehlau and therefore could be crossed easily and safely only in winter-time. Therefore, the Sambians had to fight alone during the warm half of the year.
Herkus Monte was on the defensive in Nattangia in 1265-1266, when the crusader Dukes of Brandenburg built a castle on the seashore in Nattangia. The marshal of the order collected a large force of knights there in 1266 and raided deep into the countryside. But he took chances that provided Herkus with opportunities to retaliate. On one expedition near Kreuzburg, the marshal left so few men in the castle that the Warmians were able to attack by surprise and overwhelm all the defenders except those who took refuge in the keep; those later escaped by sea and allowed the rebels to destroy the fortification. Duke Otto of Brandenburg returned in early 1267 to rebuild the castle, which became a base for deadly attacks; moreover, it was never again threatened seriously.
There is almost no record of Herkus Monte’s activities from 1267 to 1272, although other eastern Prussian tribes were raiding in the western provinces of Prussia and even into Poland. Perhaps the Nattangians were sheltering the homes of the raiders during their absence, since the Nattangians stood directly before the castles of Balga, Brandenburg, Konigsberg, Tapiau, and Wehlau, thereby providing a screen for the Sudovians. They must have suffered many losses in the raids that were the means of warfare, but the chroniclers did not bother to describe minor campaigns, and the major fighting was in Sambia and Culm.
In 1272 the Teutonic Knights near Nattangia were reinforced by a large crusading army led by Count Dietrich of Meissen. His father and brother had each crusaded in Prussia and many of his followers must have had fathers or other relatives who had been there before. In company with the master, the crusaders stormed one pagan stronghold, killed one hundred and fifty defenders, and for three days thereafter they killed, pillaged, and burned. Although fifty of the crusaders died in the scattered fighting, many more Nattangians perished. This expedition appears to have broken the Nattangian will to resist. Herkus Monte and a handful of followers fled into the woods to continue the war from exile, but most of their people surrendered and accepted resettlement in areas under Christian control. This was necessary because they now became targets of Sudovian and Lithuanian raids.
Herkus did not survive long. He went to western Prussia to fight. There, in 1273, the commander of Christburg found him in a tent, alone. His companions were out hunting, and no one was on watch. The chronicler’s glee was apparent in his description of the incident:
And when they saw that they had caught Herkus Monte, they rejoiced and tied him to a tree (which he deserved) and ran him through with a sword. And so the devil’s warrior died, and received what he had earned.
Whether or not this peculiar form of execution was a parody of the pagan ritual of killing the first prisoner captured on each raid is not clear, but no other rebel leader died in this way. Others died fighting, or were hanged, or even burned (early in the rising). Herkus’ death was unique, and with his death, the war in Nattangia was over. Some survivors were made into serfs—the penalty for rebellion— and the other Nattangians—including those nobles who had cast their lot with the Teutonic Order early—fought to defend their estates against Sudovian raids.
Herkus Monte became a mythic figure. For future generations of Prussians, Lithuanians and Latvians he was a symbol of resistance to German oppression. Herkus was the Robin Hood, the William Tell, of the Prussian revolt. He stood for all the honor, courage, decency of the pagan way of life. That it was a way of life no suited to the modern world was unimportant. The subject peoples did not consider the fact that it was a cruel and backward system; they only compared their former freedom and pride, their military glory and comparative riches, to the unhappy state of subjection to a foreign law and a foreign God. Herkus symbolized the honored past generations as they were best remembered. He symbolized freedom in an age of serfdom and oppressive service.
thanks for share!
Thanks for the great blog! I guess it should be very longed for for non-latvian and non-lithuanian speaking audience. Keep up the good work!
However, on this particular article I would like to say that W. Urban’s writings are based 50% (or less) on facts and 50% on fantasy and his messing with dates and facts doesn’t do him credit as well, so take care of using this author in future.
One questions for future works: are you planning to write anything about Nameisis? It is hard to find any information about this Semigallian leader in other than Latvian langauges.
That’s a good idea – I will try and gather all info I have here about chief Nameisis and make an article soon.
About H.Monte, I found it written very well – as few info as there is left about him, I think all the important facts are there.
um. my research has led me to believe that the Prussians where Lucifarians, and did not believe in human sacrifice, as Prussians historicaly believed Lucifer was unjustly cast from heaven because he fought for equality and believed ALL forms of life where created equal. not just people but tree also, with this being said, unlike the Jew who only believes in eating blessed meat, the Old Prussian believed that taking the life of something needed a ritual to allow the spirit passage to the spirit world, but once killed meat is meat, they also used methods of sacraficial farming in which they would allow some plants to become sick and infested with bugs so they would leave the rest alone, this is a method i use in my Romuva so i do not have to use pesticides and chemicals. This is very important to me as my grandfather was rumored to be the rightful air of Prussia but supposedly, at the start of WW2 my grandfathers village was machine gunned down by Russians. He then lived beneath dead bodies for two weeks until he was able to escape and then spent the next five years living in the woods eating bugs and berries until he was old enough to get his united stated citizen ship by joining the U.S. Navy and never looked back. Until my grandfathers death bed he never said much, just if you want to learn the truth learn the tale of silent night. so it has become important to me to learn about my heritage, and i must say that some of your info seems a bit misleading, for instance, according to the illustrated history of the free masons, the Christian Missionaries noted that the Prussian where a Peaceful people who did not set rules or guidelines pertaining to what to do with “conquered items” (eg sacrifices) until they found the need to defend themselves, and this was noted because at first they believed they would be relatively easy to conquer be it they only used clubs and not weapons. And that before they decided that in order for one to be allowed to take the life of one some type of sacrifice must be given, so the rule of 1/3 was devised as to appease the gods. but before that i find no record of human sacrifice other than what they where accused of by missionaries who’s job it was to demonize and convert the “Barbaric” Prussians. And if you are a Christian who’s job it is to convert Pagans, than a ceremony designed to sacrifice animals and use all the parts could be quite confusing. As for the Lucifarianism, according to the Papal letter from Gregory 9th, Vox in Rama, (a letter to the Pope Justifying the start of the Crusades) the Old Prussians where Lucifarians who believed that Lucifer was unjustly cast from heaven, that the Old Prussian implemented women and where guilty of sexual perversions. These where the reasons given to the Pope justifying the start of the Crusades. So given this info i find it hard to believe much of what you claim is typical of Prussians. I send this with the best intent as this is my heritage and is very important to me to learn the truth, so if there is something i missed please point me in the right direction, as the Savodian book and anything by Simon Guru i find to be quite misleading and twisted in a way to demonize the truth. if my ancestors did truely believe in human sacrafise i would like to know. as i will not run from the truth.
For starters Prussians did knew nothing about Lucifer or other personages from bible, they had their own religion. They practiced human sacrifices in extreme conditions, like famine and war for instance, in the rest of time there were animal sacrifices – those still was practiced by Latvians and Lithuanians till 20th century. Human sacrifices were known among most of European pagan nations, like Germans and Celts, so this can’t be unbelievable thing for you.
If you want to know truth about your ancestors, you must look at common picture in the region (nowadays Latvia, Lithuania, Russian, Poland, Scandinavia and Germany) at that time – Old Prussians was typical Indo-european pagan nation, they also were very conservative about their religion and in most cases chose to die than give it up! In that times people viewed world around them very differently than we do now – this always must be kept in mind when we talk about ancient people.
Prussians was in constant war with nations around them, which at those times still was not a nations but some leaders and organizations, who fought for bigger lands, authority and riches. Even our Baltic people fought each other for plunder, slaves and women.
But apart from wars there was also intensive tradings with neighbors, there even was cities in Prussia where many nations lived together peacefully, like Turso or Kaup for example.
You can’t build your knowledge about Prussians only on some christian author writings, in many cases they twisted truth in favor of their own goals. You yourself believe in what was said by some missionaries or pope while don’t believe in another christian writer like Simon Grunav!
while i’m not saying you are wrong , historically the Prussians are believed to be cousins of the Iranians, and not the Germans and so there Ancient religion would be similar to theirs, so it would come as no shock that both Iran and Prussia have an accused ancient religion that believes in three main “gods” one of which is the god of harvest and is even believed not to be at all of human or animal form but some type of a grain or seed, “canvas is my bet as it provided them with rope, cloth and many things necessary for everyday life, but to each his own”. and it should also be no surprise that they both supposedly adopted these very similar religions during the sixth century B.C. which leads me to believe that that is not the old Prussian or Iranian religion. It is recorded in the Illustrated History of the Freemasons that from the time of discovery, Rome (about 600 B.C) had a dream of economically enslaving Germania, as the system of the Gentile teaches, someone has to be the lower class and better you than me, where Prussia believed everything needed for survival came from the Romuva a centraly located garden. So taxes and paying homage to Rome made no sense to them. So in an early attempt to divert the beginning of what has become 2500 years of Genocide they adopted what is known today as Prussian Mythology or the Old Iranian religion but not at all the religion i seek. in fact the reason for the formation of the Freemasons was to study Prussia’s religion so they could turn them against each other and convert them, one method was convincing the “old Prussians” to give up there old out dated homes and give them up for more permanent ones that violates there old religion.
so as you can see i am interested in the “Old Prussian” ways, i understand that from 400 B.C. to the 1500’s they became a proud war like country just to exist, but it is noted in the illustrated history of the Freemasons that before they where attacked for the first time, they had no weapons and only used clubs as they preferred to be one with nature and not make permanent tools.
with all of this in mind you must then remember where Iran and Prussia migrated from, and one would see that there ancient religion would only make sense to have ties to the bible,
now why i trust some sources and not others, most of the information recorded about the Ancient religions by missionaries was only to figure out how to convert them. they where not interested in accuracy. From there, most publication where written only as propaganda to stop people from finding out the truth for them selves, what makes the Papal letter from Gregory Vox 9th in Roma that accuses the “Old Prussians” of being Lucifarians different is that it is the OFFICIAL document used to start the Prussian Crusades, so it would have been presented to not only the Pope but also to Prussia, and anyone participating in the crusades which was most of Europe.
i realize and believe, that sacrifice did happen, in extreams, like you stated, and you cannot be responsible for everyone, it’s just after having my childhood filled with memories of my grandfather explaining how sacred life is and how every life form is sacred, even trees. and that you only kill for food and only when it is necessary as the garden is where food should come from first. i find it hard to believe most of what is written (not by you, but other publications). And believe they where peaceful until provoked.
As you can imagine my grandfather did not marry Prussian, and so i was raised Roman Catholic, all the while knowing my grandfather did not attend nor believe, but our motto was to each his own Merritt so he did not judge, but he also refused to teach me what he believed as he would state “your mother would kill me” so after his death i have speant much of my life researching, once again thank you so much as it is nice to talk to someone actually from the old country.
it all just seems a little confusing as you yourself state that the Prussians only used clubs, and that “The enemy had strange weapons that could shoot down men at an unexpectedly long range, were equipped with superior steel weapons and armor, and rode strong war horses which wheeled in formations that the Prussians had never seen before.” yet you claim they somehow they shot there enemies in the head with an arrow a weapon they did not supposedly have. “Therefore, on raids the first prisoner taken was tied to a tree and shot with an arrow. If the blood ran freely, the raid could continue, because the gods predicted success; if it ran slowly, the raiders returned home.” and next you claim “The use of magic sticks to foretell the future, or dice-like bones, was the common means of consulting the deities.” but accourding to the treaty of Christburg 1249 there was a ritual they performed to talk to the dead, and accourding to Alister Crowley’s diary he was able to perform this ceremony without the use of “Hashish”. Old Prussians grew Canvas in there Romuvas and burned the tops more commonly known as marijuana, for an article on this refer to msnbc.com/worldsoldestmarijuanastashtotallybusted. I myself being a Lucifarian Pagan have had much luck with this ritual and is how i have acquired much of what i know from my Ancestors, and where to find info supporting it. And finally, “War was the means of obtaining slaves and wives, partly a result of the practice of infanticide and partly because the noble warriors were so successful in attacking their non-Prussian neighbors.” i have a problem with this because as stated earlier the Prussian Crusades where justified because the Prussians implemented women, which makes no sense if Prussian wives come from domination and abuse and not the Ritual of Sex magic where empowerment happens from a powerswitch caused by the submisive empowering the dominate.
The author was talking about crossbow, which were extremely powerful weapon in sieges and was unknown to Prussians for some time.
I don’t know from where you gather your information, but Old Prussians had nothing with Lucifer, Alister Crowley or smoking/growing marijuana, but looks like you do 😉
while you have many arguable points i must stop hear because the word “canvas” is deustch for hemp , and Prussians used to grow “canvas” in there Romuvas as it provided them with hemp the necsisary fibers used to make clothes and your supposed bow and arrows. without it they would have only had animal skins and sticks. also it is noted on http://www.msnbc.com/worldoldestmarijuanastashtotlaaybusted that an over 2700 year old stash of over 2 lbs was found toumbed with a “blond haired blue eye’d caucasion believed to be of Gemanic decent, near china. and even the war of 1812 was fought over Marijuana as if you read the book the Emperors new clothes, you will find that the hole premise of the book is that there is an embargo on the hemp supplies so they cannot make new clothes for the emperor, (i realize this is not a Prussian war but you must realize how far they have gone to change history)….once again thank you for collaborating with me!!! this matter is very dear to me, and i have nothing but good intentions and only send the best regards.
not to mention i must argue that it is said that true Satanism comes from Lithuania,
It is said that the Lucifarian Pagans where accused of being Satanists and merged the idea of the two separate entities into one in the minds of many, demonizing the Lucifarians. It is also said that when Lucifer fought for equality it was not for the angels but for mans equality as it can be said that Jews and Christians live as slaves or servants to there “god”. And so Lucifer chose to live amongst man And so it is said that all the Pagans are decedents of the fallen angels that fought amongst Lucifer. That is said where many traits like blonde/red hair and green/hazel eyes come from, and that the Pagans are the Children of the fallen who taught there knowledge of what was demonized as Magic.
I personally believe that Jesus was half Pagan, half Jewish, he loved Jewish principals but performed Pagan ceremony and ways of life, and he wanted to join the two worlds together, but the Jews saw this as a threat as it freed everyone from there economic, capitalistic, system of oppression and greed, so they called for the persecution of Jesus Christ as history tells us. Killed Jesus and his Disciples, and created Christianity the weapon of the Jew, that they used e.g. the crusades to bring economic oppression through out the world.
I prefer Open Source Free Marketing, to capitalism. But then again i farm using ancient Japanese and Prussian “nature” farming methods for a Japanese religious organization for a living, so i’m not at all your average person, and as you can see i ask myself on a daily basis how and why they would have done it. And i pride myself in living as in tune with the old ways as is possible, while not forcing myself to deny technology and modern life completely.
i must apologize that there is not much evidence as to the story i leave, but you can look to the book the story of Enoch, the Dead sea scrolls, and many Pagan circles will confirm parts of the story, but as for thousands of years of book burning and persecution most is passed by word of mouth to avoid evidence.
one again thank you for your time, i hope i did not go to religious on you this post.
There was a terrific movie about these conflicts of the Teutonic/Prussian war of 1262. It was not an english movie but sub-titles I believe. I stumbled onto it one night but did not retain the name. I would like the name of the film and to know if one of the services (Netflix,etc) has it available. Definitely one of the best movies of this type conflict I have ever seen.
You mean this Lithuanian movie “”Herkus Mantas“”, made in 1972?
It was made in times of Soviet Union, under their censorship, so more or less this movie is about how freedom loving working class people fight against evil bourgeois and capitalist invaders from Western Europe.
So in short this movie is very far from historical truth, though there are no alternatives out there, I mean movies about Old Prussians.
once again i would like to thank you for taking the time to collaborate with me as reclaiming my heritage is definitely a group effort, and i mean everything with the best of intentions.
I have prussian roots . I very like the website as well as your music of skyforger
i dont care about your religous blaber,i am an old prussian surviver,on my fathers side, minor lituavanian i was dating a cathlic girl she gave me a cross to wear,my grandmother,fathers mother,she was 94 in 1968 said to me,she was very serious about it,horstchen, never wear a cross,i did not understand at that time what she ment.but can see now the historical significance.
I am thankful for your blog for so many ways. I too have been reading Urban, yet have found it unsatisfactory because he only writes more of the victors and not so much the Prussians and allied Pagan tribes, at least not to my satisfaction. I have a very unique perspective as I have had my genetics tested. But before I get into the reason it is important, I first want to state my perspective. My 3rd great-grandfather who came to America, was insistent, even on the census forms, that he was Prussian, and had they asked he would have told them he was Pagan to the core. He left our family many oral tales of our ancestors as the forest people, and said that our family was blessed because we produced red-haired, green-eyed girls that were feared as female seers for the tribes. He said that since his great grandfather’s time there has always been one sometime two (twins) that were red-haired and green eyed. My aunt was, her aunt was and so am I. My mother being blue eyed-blond haired hated (maybe due to sibling rivalry with me aunt) the fact and gave me up to adoption because she believed I was cursed. Needless to say, she and the generation above her had been converted to strict Roman Catholicism. It devastated my g- g-grandfather to think his descendants would embrace those who destroyed his nation. History always ran deep within his memory. I was lucky enough to be found by my father’s parents and raised by them with love until they could no longer take care of me due to age and infirmary; they then forced my mother to take me back. I was immediately put into a private Roman Catholic school and was consistently told, by my mother with genuine hate, how evil my soul was. My father and mother split after my birth and according to court records he did not feel capable of raising me, but agreed that his parents could. I saw little of him as he traveled on the rodeo circuit across the nation. I actually feel blessed, not in an institutional sense, but in the base of humanity to have known both sides of the ancient warring issues. It has always heightened my ability to remain objective to my ancestral roots. But sadly, as my aunt was also cast out of the family (again red haired, green-eyed), there has been the loss of oral continuity and I have been searching most my life to find the history of our beliefs. When genetic testing came, I could not wait to get as much done as possible. I had my maternal side down (which leads back to my G-g-g grandmother and my maternal grandfather whom declared his Prussian roots, but as no male member, as of yet is found from his side, I cannot get the male ydna tested. Females can only test for their maternal line. Still, I was so pleased to find out that my results came out as Finno-Ugric. Contrary to what others have stated in this blog, Prussians, Estonians, Latvians, Livonians, and many others ARE NOT INDO-EUROPEAN, nor GERMANIC, NOR are they CELT RACES. The Finno- Urgiran race had their own language, Uralic, that has zero ties to the Indo-Europeans or their language.
My source of information is numerous, but for an anthology and evolution of of the Uralic speaking peoples (at least in English) please refer to “The Great Bear” by Lauri Honko, Senni Timonean, MIchael Branch and Kieth Boseley, produced by the Finnish Literature Society ISBN 951-717-631-7 or ISSN 0355-1768. These authors have spent years gathering Oral Poetry of these decimated tribes, the last Pagans in Europe and Eastern Europe. The Uralic family of known tribes known contain the Baltic-Finnic, LIvionian/Estonian, Lapp Sabemlas/Saami/Sami, Voga Finnic, Mordvin/Mari, Permian Finnic, Komi/Komi Permyak, Udmurt, Hungarian, Magyar, Ob-Ugrian, khanty/Mansi and the Samoyed, Nenets/Enets/Nganasan/Selqup. In the context of this blog, Many would believe that the Baltic-Finns would include the Oldest ancient Prussians. (Hungarians ARE NOT SLAVIC) they are Ugrian. It would be a profound enlightenment if all those who believe they have Prussian roots would get genetically tested and to find the oldest within our communities who could transmit the oral stories they heard.
So my testing puts me, and at least the female line, married to my g-g-g-grandfather in the right genetic category, and right time to verify a connection. However, although I had both Hypervariable regions tested, my results also said that they could not determine where exactly to place my genetic origins as my genetic group is only 2% of the population of the world. Because it is a rare north European group, it is uncertain which possible tribe I belong, but the good news is it goes back at least 5000 years ago and certainly puts me along with the other tribes mentioned above into the classification of Ugaric. I don’t have the usual markers for ‘Hungarian’ (one Urgic tribe that does have numerous results, so in one way, it makes sense that I would belong to one of the tribes that felt a heavy decimation as recent as the 12th century.
I would be profoundly grateful if anyone would take up reading the “Great Bear” to and comment or share their thoughts on the oral traditions that they have gathered from the Baltic region. Since many Prussians were driven eastward and further afield by the crusades, any input might help expand what is missing among the oral histories that as we all know are disappearing. The Ugrics are considered the last “Western Most Indigenous Tribes of Europe”. The Great Bear goes into a Comparative Approach to Oral Poetry, belief and rituals, the Cosmos view of Urgians, Hunting, Agriculture, Animal Husbandry and Nomadisn, Festivities, Love, Self, Conscription, Marrying, Healing, Death, the Epics, and has illustrations of Bear Feast traditions. Peter, I truly hope you will continue to dig for more knowledge of your ancestral heritage, the Prussians and related tribes (get tested!) and I hope to hear from anyone interested in tracking down ancient stories and traditions. As is often quoted…. History is written by the victors… but I believe as we declare our heritages we also become and can claim to be victors by ensuring our heritages do not disappear. Some of the other things past on to me by my g-g-grandfather was that we were forest people and bee-keepers and the red-haired green-eyed seers were feared for their healing arts, that some were female shamans, especially when the male shamans were usually killed first among the tribes in order to hasten the communities religious conversion. As for myself, I am a prior military vet, un-affiliated to any formal religion despite my rigorous Roman Catholicism upbringing. I’ve never dived into any modern pagan religion either, however, I have a profound love of gardening, and nature, and a overwhelming sense to know when something is wrong with any member of my family. My kids and Husband laughingly call it “Mom’s spooky action at a distance” and they are indeed physically distant. One is in Ireland and masters Mai Thuy fighting and engineering, another sails the high seas, and my Husband has been and is off and on for years, in the Middle East. Sadly, my mother and her siblings never resolved their issues that seemed unusually tied to perceptions that were caused by heritage within my g-g-grandparent’s narratives. Once I complete my degree in Anthropology, I intend to pursue a specialty in ancient Prussians and the affiliated tribes. There needs to be more of us in this field. Urban cannot be the only expert, and maybe Peter if you can find other authors that have written of the pagan tribes in other languages, they can be translated for international readers. All the best to everyone in their search, D.
Great read and story! Sure I am reading and looking into other authors also. Soon one of my historian friends here in Latvia will release book about Old Prussians, only it will be in Latvian language unfortunately only.
But yeah, I still continue to do researching and hope to post anything new any soon – for last years I was busy with Skyforger’s new album, which is purely dedicated to Old Prussians.